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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2007, 02:30:18 AM »
FROM.................CORNWALL!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Emmi

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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2007, 08:47:24 AM »
Can you help me know exactly what it is about this that immediately makes you know it is not right?



I can see that the green is darker then the Meadow green samples I am seeing in Alex Bishop's Gallery at whitefriarsorg.org, but not by a huge amount, and colours both in photographs, and on monitors can be very deceptive.  



Are there other pointers?  (coming to this discussion fairly late in the day I know, you may have already discussed this elsewhere>
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2007, 10:43:49 AM »
Lynne,

        I'm not a Baxter specialist, but I believe the indicator for these pieces is not the colour, but rather the proportion / ratio of coloured glass to flint in the lower section. The larger size in the genuine examples has a very full colour in the base, with just a convex curve of flint. This piece has a very poor proportion, which seems the norm for these "recent examples".

Cheers

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2007, 11:15:06 AM »
Yes, for me too it's the proportions.....very subtle in some cases but just not QUITE right!  Have to say, I am now so boggled by them all, it's sometimes hard to really see what's right and what's not right, but there is definitely a proportion issue in them all.  Emmi

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2007, 11:42:48 AM »
Thank you both, I'm off to have a look at the bottoms of lots of Drunken Bricklayers now...

Assuming they will sit still outside the pub long enough for me to have a look



Ultimately, it is all in the eye, and down to experience I think...



I was at an auction viewing this morning, and looked at a large Troika vase, which just looks wrong.... I can't exactly put my finger on it, the glaze isn't quite right, the colour is overshot onto the inside, it's very subtle, just.... wrong....



so I fully understand what you are saying Emmi.... it's just.... WRONG!!!!

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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2007, 01:01:08 PM »
I have already mentioned this in previous threads but here goes AGAIN!





The fact the colours, shape, definition etc, are wrong merely highlighted the fact that not only are the vases dodgy but also the sellers! Even if they were correct NOBODY should touch them with a bargepole. ALL of the bricks below are from the same source/seller. DON'T BID!!!!!!!





http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250076909113&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D250076909113%26fvi%3D1



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250081509913&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D250081509913%26fvi%3D1



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280081641606&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D280081641606%26fvi%3D1



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260086420388&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D260086420388%26fvi%3D1



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300107620691&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D300107620691%26fvi%3D1



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUK%3A1&viewitem=&item=260114412325&rd=1



This Ebay Item Number  260116811699 was removed and can't be seen as the user is no longer registered.



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130112558681&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:uk

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220111519937&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D220111519937%26fvi%3D1



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220111519154&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D220111519154%26fvi%3D1



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120120378970



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WHITEFRIARS-DRUNKEN-BRICKLAYER-GLASS-VASE-GREEN-RARE_W0QQitemZ290117477968QQihZ019QQcategoryZ64877QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STUNNING-MEADOW-GREEN-WHITEFRIARS-BRICKLAYER_W0QQitemZ130115701146





Do you want one now? NOT ONE WINNING BIDDER HAS LEFT NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FOR THESE!!! That's 13 auctions!



How many does the seller have? Lots or one phantom Bricklayer continually up for auction!



Vidfletch :D

Jan

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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2007, 04:00:08 PM »
Hi Steve, Emmi and David



Your explainations followed by the examples mean that even I might pick out a doubtful one now. The segments seem to get longer as they go up the vase, especially the top one.
Jan

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2007, 05:03:41 PM »
I for one need to study this a little more carefully, I obviously do not have my "eye in" yet on these. The brick is a vase I do not yet own so I have nothing to compare against, but I would at some point like to add a small pewter one to my collection, I feel it is missing, but I am now so concerned about getting a fake/reproduction that I just dare not trust ebay listings for them at all. Although I am sure we all know who the most active Whitefriars sellers are on ebay, there is still doubt in my mind, such a shame :(



If I may come back to the colour issue for a moment, is there a method by which one could directly compare/test pieces of glass, using some sort of colour-meter, to prove they are a particular colour, and therefore authenticate them as Whitefriars?



JR

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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2007, 05:31:26 PM »
also remeber to check out the dimple pattern on all of those which is exactly the same, it's almost too regular running in diagonal lines from top right to bottom left. I'd also agree that whoever is making them hasn't got the hang of the bottoms yet-biit too thick.



Just thinking about these, does anyone know if any of the old moulds left the factory with any of the ex workers who went to Liskeard Glass, in Cornwall - maybe some one has now decided to make use of it?

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2007, 05:31:59 PM »
It "sold" for ?210! We should see it back on in a few days.



Vidfletch :D

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2007, 10:24:20 PM »
Yeah when it gets 'Lost In the Post' again no doubt

You read the feed back on the seller and and it ia all ebooks that has been bought at the cheapest price ever just to get some feed back scores

He has not sold anything on ebay before

and does not take paypal



They are Dodgy Dodgy Dodgy

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2007, 10:13:28 AM »
We have a new classification for bricklayers. Originals are Drunken Bricklayers. The new ones are Dodgy Bricklayers!!! LOL!!!



These two Dodgy Bricklayers are back on Ebay already!!!



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220114196382



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220114195736



Vidfletch :D

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2007, 10:47:42 AM »
Maybe we should just call them Builder's Bums since it is the bottoms that are so dodgy..



Funny, I think I saw one up a scaffolding outside the pub on the corner...
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2007, 01:06:25 PM »
Hey Lynne, did you have time to examine his pontil?  LOL  Emmi